There are many, many more laws that stand up to modern medical theory, including washing with what turns out to be germicidal solution. But I know you don't want me to quote the entire Bible right here. And these are not even the prophecies. But still amazing to me. How is it all of these laws just happen to line up with modern germ and medical theory? I guess Moses was just a real lucky guesser. ( the prophets weren't too shabby at guessing either! )
Not surprising at all. Aggressive selective reading and biased interpretation. You are looking for a story that you want to hear and surprise! you find it.
Human thinking patterns are naturally biased and illogical. I catch myself doing it all the time. But you are not even trying to get things right. Quite the opposite, you are eager to create an entertaining fiction for yourself. Your evaluation of evolution is the same process. You know now everything you will ever know; new information has no hope of getting through. That seems to have been the case for quite some time already. Have fun, but that is not for me.
Yes, there was indeed some tone in this, you say in a following post simply frustration. I certainly know the feeling. I could say you seem to know everything you need to know about what you think happened billions of years ago.
Now back to the topic a hand, which you call “Aggressive selective reading and biased interpretation.”, and you also refer to my interpretation in a following post. Just how do you justify that term “Aggressive selective reading”? By that do you mean I actually read the book or books under discussion? That is true, I read them (unlike so often with the book's critics) and there it was, in black and white. Passage after passage(many that I did not quote, (such as - "(paraphrase....if the material that has contacted something unclean will survive it, to burn it in the fire", which of course would sterilize it) commands which- unlike any other ancient literature I have read so far- if obeyed would match up perfectly with the recommendations of modern medicine.
You seem to be saying that, because there are other passages that do not jive with what you think you know about the creation- or big bang if you prefer- that it is unfair for me to select out the passages that are unassailable . That apparently is being ““Aggressive selective”. Is this kind of like when you said you would consider to listening to my claims about the prophets but only if I cleared up the discrepancies re: the Genesis creation and flood accounts vs what you think science knows first? If science switches to a new theory(and details change all of the time) then does that mean what you thought you knew was wrong?
I say, if a person actually wants to know the truth, that they should have an open mind. Why not just consider the passages in question on their own, instead of worrying about my selection process and interpretation? If the Bible is all fiction written by these ancient people who knew nothing of science- and much less what the future held- then I say virtually every thing they say should be dead wrong. They should never be right. It's not like Moses is running Scientific experiments out there in the desert 3400 years ago. Moses did not know about the existence of germs, and God did not bother to inform him, past just commanding "do this...don't do that". . And yet, with at the very least what was a rather spectacular stroke of luck, many of the commands that he gives them from the God he says will HEAL
them turn out to be the very things that would minimize contact with germs, or sterilize materials exposed to germs, or wash at least some of the germs off of all the people and their clothes if they did contact something unclean. If he manages to get anything right, it's almost– dare I say it – a miracle. If not, then why did not many other people of his time and even hundreds or 1000+ years later get it right? Again when I say "get it right”, I mean say something that will agree would what medical science discovered in the late 1800s and afterwards. He claims the religious laws will keep them from the diseases of the Egyptians. He was right!
Now may I ask you: when Moses told them that these were the commands of the God who would heal them, and that if they obeyed them god would keep them from the diseases of the Egyptians, were those commands good Health advice
, based on what we know today, or not
? Yes, obviously they were and are. It is not even debatable. You apparently want to discard this as any kind of evidence in favor of the revealed knowledge in the Bible because there are other things
that you know
are wrong. But I think you were wrong about that. Certainly if you could give me some solid evidence that a a frog became a rat, even if I thought you were wrong about the origin of Life I would have to stop and consider that evidence. But so far I've seen nothing but theories. So even if by your theories you think there is much wrong in the Bible, IMO you should stop and study up on how Moses could have gotten this, and so much more, correct. Because it is unarguably(sp?) correct according to modern medical science.
When the Bible said the newborns must be circumcised on the 8th day, does that turn out to be exactly when modern science tells us the babies Vitamin K(needed for clotting) is up to full status, or not? I gave you a medical reference for that which says bleeding can be a big danger to newborns from day 1 through day 7. And I remember it was common practice to give newborns a vitamin K shot for this very reason. Is it too selectively aggressive of me to point that out? Don’t you agree that Moses, based on his own lack of knowledge was just as likely to have said say day 1 or 2 or 60? What day would you have picked if you were there and just making things up? How is it he nailed it on the day after an infant's Vitamin K reaches normal levels? Do you know of any one else that knew it was a good idea to make sure an infant is not caused to bleed before day 8, before the last 100 years or so?
Let me give you another one: in medieval times, and in many third world countries today, human waste is simply discarded in the streets or the gutters. When ancient armies(even just a couple hundred years ago) would march and/or besiege cities, camping in the field for months on end, often more would die of infectious disease than from combat. Either no or incorrect knowledge about latrines and/or correct placement thereof, correct garbage disposal, and no quarantine led to the death of many, many soldiers. For example, even as late as the 1860s, more soldiers in the US Civil War died of disease than from wounds:
http://www.civilwar.org/education/pdfs/ ... dicine.pdf
http://afids.org/publications/PDF/CRI/P ... istory.pdf
Before the 19th century, infectious diseases unrelated to trauma were responsible for a much greater proportion of the deaths during war than battle-related injuries. During the Mexican War (1845–1848) and the Spanish-American War (1898) disease-related deaths outnumbered battle-related deaths by seven to one.1 With the introduction of military hygiene and disease control at the beginning of the 20th century, there was a steady decline in the number of wartime deaths attributable to diseases classically known as “war pestilence”
But what about old Moses 3400 years ago? Did he somehow
know the correct way to deal with waste as he camped in the wilderness? As he took the Children of Israel on a 40 years camping trip out in the desert? I have already mentioned the requirement to take the offal left over from the sacrifices OUTSIDE the camp to be burned. But did Moses get it right when it came to Latrines? Armies 2 or 3 thousand years later did not have any idea, but thousands of years ago Moses says God said:
Deuteronomy 23:12 Designate a place outside the camp where you can go to relieve yourself. 13 As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement.”.
Bullseye for health! Not only OUTSIDE the camp, but bury it! I can guarantee that any modern military medical officer would not tell the troops any different. This seems so obvious to us today that it goes without saying that you should not discard human waste and garbage inside your camp. Much less rub human/ insect/ animal waste into wounds as some other ancient societies did while hoping to cure. But until the discovery of germs and their relationship to disease in the late 1800s, most were oblivious to these healthy habits, even though they were written right in the Bible so many revered for centuries. Many copies of these books were found in the Dead Sea Scrolls and dated(by scientists) as much as hundreds of years before Christ.
You mention a problem with my interpretation
compared to some. But I say usually no interpretation is needed, why not just- as much as possible- take the Bible simply as written? Certainly there were religious ritual reasons for many of these laws. Nevertheless, If you follow these ancient laws that Moses claims were given to them by "the God that heals
you”, would you be better off or not? What ever interpretation you might want to add, do these laws as they are written in black-and-white agree with what medical science has discovered since about 1860 and are they correct, or not
? If they are correct, how did Moses get this right? I think you should concentrate on that, was Moses somehow right way, way before we knew anything about germs, or was he as wrong as he should have been? That is far more important than my “ aggressive selective bias and interpretation”.
Lastly: When you say: “Not surprising at all. Aggressive selective reading and biased interpretation. You are looking
for a story that you want to hear and surprise! you find it
.” Then does that mean that if I was a Hindu or Buddhist or Muslim, and I searched for these things in their ancient holy writings, I could find it? Is that what you are claiming?
Thanks for your consideration of my post.
Rom8:21the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption23..but..we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit.. groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body