But this raises another question. I have already provided- simply as a starting place- evidence that the Law's of Moses contain multiple command related to health that are dead on with modern medical science, showing a knowledge of what is healthy that we did not know until about 150 years ago. And I asked(rhetorically perhaps) how he could have obtained that knowledge assuming it was not actually his God who told him. Now I want to add to that: How could Moses, raised in Egypt- or wherever he was raised and lived- know where the first civilizations on earth were? How did he know it all started on the Euphrates and Tigress rivers, and how did he know the names of so many of the 1st cities? How is it that he was once again exactly correct, when it all could have gotten started just as well in Egypt or Libya, or even in nations like China that God apparently did not bother to tell Moses about? And how is it that it all arose right about the time some of us think the Bible indicates that it did? That Moses guy really got lucky in his guesses about history and health. He also did great with his predictions of the future, which he again says God told him about. But that is for later.
This is a scientifically valid line of investigation, IMHO. Performing such analysis accurately will take considerable dedication and skill. Often the analysis is bungled; remember Chariots of the Gods
? It is extremely important and difficult to manage conformation bias.
And I would agree if such analysis demonstrated that the text contained a high incidence of accurate information that could not have been known at the time of the writing of the text, it is objectively logical to suspect that the text is special.
But I won't give you a pass on Genesis. It gets the formation of the Earth wrong. It is impossible to determine the implications of this fact on the credibility of the remaining portions of the Bible until after determining the relationship of Genesis to the other parts. The Bible does not need to be perfectly accurate to be special.
Well, I do appreciate your consideration for those 1st 2 paragraphs at least! Thank you for that at least! Clearly I have a large confirmation bias. Maybe I'm not the only one?
I think I might bow out of this discussion for a while, it has been pretty tiring. Plus, I think I might want to start a new thread discussing the prophets, with the same question "how did they know?". But on the subject of "how did Moses know", and the even more ancient and totally uneducated Job, along with one who was called the wisest man of his time, Solomon, I will add this:
Genesis 1:6 And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” 7 So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. 8 God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
And then, interestingly, when describing the flood, Moses says:
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah’s life, on the seventeenth day of the second month—on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and the floodgates of the heavens were opened.
So, from ancient times Moses claims God told him that there were waters both below our sky- our atmosphere that separates us from the heavens above
and the earth below
. He also seems to have been aware that there were springs "of the great deep", far below the earth or ocean, which could burst forth. Was he right? I'm sure we could not know one way or another until the last 100-200 years at most. And this was yet another fantastic opportunity for Moses to be 100% wrong, as he should virtually always be in non-spiritual areas. But does science confirm Moses on this?
http://www.space.com/53-comets-formatio ... ation.html
http://earthsky.org/space/did-comets-br ... r-to-earth
A comet is an icy body that releases gas or dust. They are often compared to dirty snowballs, ..........Comets orbit the sun, but most are believed to inhabit in an area known as the Oort Cloud, far beyond the orbit of Pluto. - See more at: http://www.space.com/53-comets-formatio ... LE4OP.dpuf
http://www.nasa.gov/topics/universe/fea ... 10722.html
Astronomers have been arguing for some years about comets brought Earth its water. Then in 2011, an international team of astronomers using the Herschel Space Observatory to study Comet Hartley 2 (103P/Hartley) published their results on the first comet confirmed to contain ocean-like water.
Besides life, the biggest thing that distinguishes the Earth from other planets in the solar system is the presence of copious amounts of liquid water. Water molecules have been found in nebulae in distant reaches of the galaxy, so water itself isn’t uncommon in the universe. So it might be surprising to learn that no one really knows how all the water on Earth got here!............
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/mor ... -combined/
Astronomers Find Largest, Most Distant Reservoir of Water.........................Two teams of astronomers have discovered the largest and farthest reservoir of water ever detected in the universe. The water, equivalent to 140 trillion times all the water in the world's ocean, surrounds a huge, feeding black hole, called a quasar, more than 12 billion light-years away......................."The environment around this quasar is very unique in that it's producing this huge mass of water," said Matt Bradford, a scientist at NASA's Jet Propulsion Laboratory in Pasadena, Calif. "It's another demonstration that water is pervasive throughout the universe, even at the very earliest times."
Study: Deep beneath the earth, more water than in all the oceans combined.......................................
“When a rock with a lot of H20 moves from the transition zone to the lower mantle it needs to get rid of the H20 somehow, so it melts a little bit,” Schmandt said. “This is called dehydration melting.”
Then, “once the water is released,” researcher Jacobsen added, “much of it may become trapped there in the transition zone” about 400 miles deep in the Earth.
And its a good thing, too, Jacobsen told New Scientist: “We should be grateful for this deep reservoir. If it wasn’t there, it would be on the surface of the Earth, and mountain tops would be the only land poking out.”
OK, Moses was wrong on that one, he said the mountain tops were covered!
But, he also said the floodgates of the heavens were opened, so.... But basically he was, yet once again, dead on again with his claim that there are waters in the heavens above our sky, and in the depths below. How does he ever get any of this stuff right? Anyone?
Lastly, what about how our weather systems work, aka the Hydrological cycle? Did the Biblical ancients have anything to say about that? Job is considered a more ancient book than Moses, even though Moses writes about the creation and civilization and historical events long before his time. But Job is thought to have live about the time of Abraham, maybe 600 years before Moses.
All humanity has seen it;
mortals gaze on it from afar.
How great is God—beyond our understanding!
The number of his years is past finding out.
“He draws up the drops of water,
which distill as rain to the streams;
the clouds pour down their moisture
and abundant showers fall on mankind.
Who can understand how he spreads out the clouds,
how he thunders from his pavilion?..........................37:11
He loads the clouds with moisture;...............
and from Solomon, a newcomer, about 900 years before Christ:
All streams flow into the sea,
yet the sea is never full.
To the place the streams come from,
there they return again........................
If clouds are full of water,
they pour rain on the earth.
I'm not even going to bother with a scientific ref, we all know this from school, don't we? I do believe these ancients clearly understood the hydrological cycle, though they had probably never been to any school other than Bible training and reading and writing Hebrew. And even if they had been to school, there was no science to teach them. Yet they clearly state that the clouds contain water, but first the water is drawn up from the water on the earth, where it later becomes rain which falls on the earth, and fills the rivers and runs to the seas, where it returns to the clouds again starting the entire cycle over and over.
I could go on about this stuff, but I am temporarily tired of it and Y'all must be tired of me, so my plan is to stop for a while, or at least go on to something else. But does anyone have any guesses as to how these ancients could so often get these things right?
Rom8:21the creation itself also will be set free from its slavery to corruption23..but..we ourselves, having the first fruits of the Spirit.. groan within ourselves, waiting eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our body