Since Trump was a Hillary supporter, do you think he was working with her after her team invented the birther movement?
GregD wrote:I am claiming that you and The Donald have no credible indication whatsoever of how many non-citizens voted. (BTW, there are quite a number of non-citizens in this country legally; why do you presume that those that voted illegally are also illegal immigrants?) Why would they vote? You are jumping to conclusions.dirtwheels wrote:Are you claiming that there are none of the illegal alien invaders voting? Why wouldn't they vote?
Indeed I do not like The Donald. My objection, however, is that he disparaged a key institution of our democracy with absolutely no credible supporting information. We shall see if this results in a good faith effort to improve the integrity of our voting process nationwide or results in a political witch hunt. Want to argue that we need tighter controls on voter registration? Fine, do that, and maybe start that by pointing out what controls are currently in place and then pointing out their weaknesses. But that isn't the point here, and that isn't what The Donald did. The point is that The Donald specifically claimed 3 to 5 million illegal immigrants voted for Hillary. With no credible evidence. Again, same guy that perpetuated the Birther lie.dirtwheels wrote: You seem really partisan. That's OK, it's really weird to hear that Trump worked with the Russian's who "hacked" the election, but suddenly when claims that arise that illegals are voting in numbers significant enough to impact elections suddenly there is no questioning the election results.
They are illegally here, they have invaded our land, and they are aliens to our soil, La Rasa and others promote invading and taking back "lost" mexican land. iai seems to be the most accurate term available. Where am I factually wrong? Footballers play football, hammockers, hammock and invaders invade, what's the difference? Are those all not all voluntary? Where is the insult?
Are you stating that confiscated voter ID cards are not evidence?
When I was a child I did not understand thrust and lift, yet I could observe aircraft in the air, I was totally ignorant of air traffic control, our network of airports yet I knew that those were not birds and that they did not live in the sky. I did not know about our space program, but I knew those astronauts were not bus drivers and had to have obtained training. I know that if there are dead people voting, surely those who invade our lands and take advantage of local, state and federal programs are resourceful and intelligent enough to vote themselves some of big govco's largess. De'Toqueville saw the logic of that at our founding.
It isn't really a leap to add up the facts that:
1) IAI's have DL's.
2) While getting those DL's they also register to vote.
3) IAI's have been identified as having voter ID cards.
4) What, you think they are all using those cards for ...... what? Joining a book club?
In just eight Virginia counties, 1,046 alien non-citizens successfully registered to vote. Mind you, these are just the aliens who were accidentally caught because when they renewed their driver’s license, they told the truth that they were a non-citizen.
That’s because of Motor Voter. Motor Voter, or the National Voter Registration Act of 1993, mandates that anyone who applies for a driver’s license must be offered voter registration. To register, they must merely mark a checkbox that they are a citizen and sign the form. It’s a yes-no question, and thousands are lying — just in Virginia.
Virginia has no citizenship verification requirements like other states do, so the vulnerabilities in Motor Voter are amplified. Voter ID is no solution either. These aliens are getting registered to vote when they are getting their photo ID cards! http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/virg ... ered-vote/http://www.fairus.org/issue/noncitizens ... -electionsFox 10 Phoenix reports that nine illegal immigrants complete with fake identification and voter registration cards, and stolen social security numbers, voted at around 9 am a Desert Wind Middle School in Pinal County. At 10:30, the very same white van carrying the very same illegals was spotted at Santa Rosa Elementary School and they voted there as well. Just two hours later, the same group showed up at the Global Water Center to cast their vote. http://thelastlineofdefense.org/van-ful ... is-a-myth/
To claim there are no IAI's voting is an exercise of willful ignorance.
You may in the end even be proven correct, but you are not being logical. First, you describe the situation in deliberately biased terms (illegal alien invaders; can't you think of an even more prejudicial term than that?), you cherry pick a particular item in favor of your views (no mention of the considerable number of arguments against the conclusions of that one paper), and then you jump to conclusions not supported (yet) by any evidence in hand.dirtwheels wrote: As the linked story noted iai's ...
You can can let dislike for Trump drive you and your post, I'll choose logic and facts. And I will not abandon logic when I do not have facts.
"When I do not have facts", the logical position is, "I don't know".
I am being logical. I do not have the facts. I don't know. The Donald has no facts to back up his specific claim. He doesn't know either.